Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of the Bill Barnwell Show.

I am Bill Barnwell today.

The athletics, Mike Sando, joins me to talk about one of my favorite columns each and every year.

The quarterback tiers column.

We get to everything from the top few tiers of the

quarterback tiers column, including a long discussion about Lamar Jackson and where he stands

after a very interesting set of quotes in Mike's piece. But first, I wanted to tell you about

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you get your podcast. Now, here's Mike Sando, talking about the quarterback tiers. All right, joining

me now here on the Bill Barnwell show, one of my favorite people in the industry, talking about one of my favorite columns of the year in the football industry, the quarterback tieris column, which has been discussed all around the television and internet space over the past couple of days, but of course had to bring

the man in himself to talk about it.

It is my former colleague at ESPN, now at the athletic, my friend Mike Santo.

Mr. Sando, how are you?

I'm doing well, thank you.

This is welcome, Bill, because you are the king of nuance, and we get to actually have the

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