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Frank, you mentioned that before you did ayahuasca, you kind of thought maybe you were crazy.

Now, I went through years where I thought I was crazy.

I was having transdimensional experiences without using psychedelics.

I don't know why it just happens for me naturally.

And so I would go to the psychiatric industry looking for a pill

that would take it away because I was very disturbed that I was having these experiences. And of course,

everybody, I was already, you know, I guess marginalized enough within community because of my

open-minded beliefs and stuff. I didn't want to be any

weirder than that. So anyway, I'm just curious. How did things progress for you? Did you start

having experiences when you were a child? Was it an adulthood? Was there a triggering event?

And then what led you to ayahuasca for the, I guess, your big answers.

Yeah, so I had to work backwards in my life.

Like, I remembered magical moments before, I want to say my parents divorce at 14.

Everything was magical until I was like 13.

Everything was magical.

And I had some moments where I had missing time as a child.

Later on under Iowa,

Oscar, I would find out what those missing moments were.

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