Okay, hey, it's always a pleasure to have David Hale of ESPN on the show.

I know you're a busy man.

You were just on the beaches, so this must be a real treat for you to to hop on the show you say beaches

i was like on fine bomb set that was adjacent to a beach it's not really it's not as well i mean you get

more fine bomb but aside from that it's not as good well hey well i will compliment you i do think

you're one of the more highly entertaining guests that fine bomb has on on, but I wanted to ask you, does Paul even like you?

Because I can't tell if he likes me.

He's a difficult guy to read.

I'm just wondering your thoughts.

I have an ongoing, like, internal debate on this as well.

I like to think so. I like to think it's like a friendly banter.

It is possible that that friendly banter like is, you know, once I leave, he's like that piece of

shousey. My theory on doing Fine Palm is that so far, and I couldn't even tell you how many times i've been on uh i have yet to share actual information i don't think we've ever actually discussed the topic uh that mattered and somehow i've not gotten fired yet but it's going to have when i get fired by esPN it will be for something that i said on pa's show. Okay, yeah, no, I can attest to that. Again, it's always highly entertaining. But let me ask you, was it entertaining coming off the SEC and the ACC spring meetings? I'm familiar with the SEC. I was down there last year, but I've never been to the ACC ones. Is it kind of the similar deal?

Or is it, you know, what is that like? And did you learn anything about the ACC this time?

Yeah. For my, for my purposes, they're dramatically different. The SEC is way more organized and

people stop and talk to you. And Greg Sanky is lovely and giving, you know,

half an hour to an hour of his time every single day that you're there. Jim Phillips, you've got to,

like, you've got to, like, track him, like, you're going through the Amazon or something like that,

tracking Bigfoot. Like, he does not want to sit and chat. There is no, like no formal sit downs and press conferences or anything like that.

But the informality of it, particularly if you have good relationships there, can be valuable too.

And then because I get in with the ACC Network and we get a good rate, I get to stay at the Ritz Carlton there,

which is, that's real, at the end of the day,

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