So, as we move now from teaching into conversation, I think it's so important to begin just by saying,

you have no idea what part of Brooklyn I'm from.

The glass is still up in my neighborhood.

I'm just kidding.

We had below average coffee occasionally and that was as bad as I got.

Thank you so much, Rich.

It's a hard thing to step into a community and to speak with honesty and to speak about difficult topics,

which will land with varying levels of comfort and resonance and reaction and to do so honestly and boldly and unapologetically,

but also to do so full of love and hope for the church and her role in the world.

So thank you, man.

What a gift.

This is kind of how I want to frame our conversation.

You named six layers that we have to talk about, gospel, race and reconciliation through.

I want to focus in on three of those layers in particular, the theological, the formational and the ecclesial in that order.

So, I'd love to start with the theological.

So, you said something really punchy that stuck with me.

When you talked about a Korean American gentleman that you were having in conversation with in New Life,

and you said a phrase that was something like the way that he was seeing individuals as was inconsistent with the way that Jesus sees them.

And so, I'm just wondering, can you connect the dots for us to the biblical story?

And so, where in Scripture are we seeing racism at play and the way that God addresses it?

You know what?

When I think about back to the definition of racism, racism, as we understand it today, is not a biblical category.

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