So I want to start with a Bible question. So yeah, I want to just ease you in. Is there

a connection between what Romans 12 talks about with the renewal of the mind and this theme

of paradise that you're tracing? Most definitely, yes. Go on. The word that Paul uses in his

language is the word metamorpho. It's a verb in Greek. You know what it means because we have

the word in English too, metamorphosis. In other words, Paul's assumption is that the

human mind is a very magable plastic-like thing that can be morphed and shaped into viewing

reality in ways that are deeply untrue. And so what he's talking about, oh, and actually

all of the use in that passage of plural, y'all's mind. So in a communal setting, we can

actually reshape our mind and our experience of reality by the ways we operate as a community

and the habits of life and mind and heart that we embrace. And so, and that's the intro

to Romans 12, which is the most practical collection of like how to treat each other as

followers of Jesus in that whole letter. It's very powerful. And that's exactly, he's

talking about a communal set of life habits together that will begin to reshape your view

of reality and around the person of the risen Jesus in the presence of the Spirit. So

that could be a whole cool thing to explore, but I think that is exactly what Paul's after.

Yeah, that's fascinating. I have, that gives language to many experiences I've had in

communities of believers where I felt that my view of reality was being reshaped through

those very things. Yes, it's so helpful.

Yeah, so let's think about an example. Like so in Romans 12, he talks about conflict resolution

within the family of Jesus. So has anyone had a conflict with another person before?

Has anyone had a conflict with another person in their church before? So, it's such a good

example because like, okay, there's a normal way that our bodies are mostly have mostly

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