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One of the most difficult things for people in conflict to answer sometimes can be, what do you want? And then, of course,

there's what people say they want, and then there's what's driving them. They might say, I want

peace, but perhaps what's really driving them is I want to win. So many conflicts that are just about

to be resolved fall at the last minute because of the incapacity of people to cope with.

What will I do after this?

What is my imagination beyond this fight that I'm in?

To bring all of those things into the place of prayer is an encounter with self,

an encounter with that which we call God, that is the disturbance, that is the emptiness, that is not giving us

reassurance, but that is speaking to us in a place where we are listening to the sound of

ourself, but perhaps with a different tuning and something else occurs.

Welcome to the spiritual life. I'm Father Jim Martin. On this podcast, we reflect on how people

experience God in their prayer and in their daily lives. And I am joined by my poetic producer,

Maggie Van Dorn. Maggie, good to be with you today. It's great to be with you, Jim. And I'm honored by

that appellation. And it is certainly a fitting one be with you today. It's great to be with you, Jim, and I'm honored by that appellation,

and it is certainly a fitting one for our guest today, who is none other than. Padrig Otuma,

the poet and spiritual master. Can you tell us a little bit about Padrig? Absolutely. So Padraig Otuma

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