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things you love. So Pat Godwin you grew up in Pennsylvania. I did. You end up you go to school you're an athletic

You get into theater and that takes you out to LA for the first time. First time, yeah.

So you then move away from LA.

I go back to Dallas, Pennsylvania area I start playing the guitar.

And then you head back to LA to be a singer-songwriter. Exactly. And that didn't necessarily pan out the way you had wanted it.

No, went out there with my manager at the time who was from the Northeastern Pennsylvania

area and we tried to make a go of it doing

showcases musically and stuff you know it just was rough it was really rough now and

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