All right, Alexander, let's talk about the phone call between U.S. President Trump and

Russian President Vladimir Putin, a two-hour phone call.

We have a statement from Putin.

He spoke to the media.

We have a truth social post from Trump.

We also have a follow-up statement from Usakov as well, from the Russian side of

things. Your initial thoughts on the conversation between the Russian president and the president

of the United States. Right. Well, a two-hour call, first of all, is an extraordinarily long telephone call.

That is the first thing.

I mean, they clearly had, they clearly went over a huge amount, probably more than just Ukraine.

But I suspect most of it was about Ukraine.

And I suspect also that much of this call was probably Putin trying to explain and make

Trump understand what the Russian position is and trying to make him understand that this is for

real.

I think this is my initial view, that a Trump-Putin summit is now probably coming over the horizon.

I think that's probably now just a few weeks away.

I think there's still a lot, some work to do, but it's probably that's where we're going.

The third thing is that Trump, I think, is beginning to understand that the Russians are serious when they talk about Istanbul Plus and is probably gradually coming round to Istanbul Plus.

Now, what happened was that Putin came along and said, look, this is our objective.

We are prepared to work with the Ukrainians.

We want to get a memorandum and a memorandum of agreement organized.

That might include a ceasefire, but notice he didn't commit to a

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