If it really is a calculation based on grubby self-interest, in some respects that makes our job simpler, doesn't it?

Because if, as some people suggest, the way to his heart is through his wallet,

and that maybe involves manipulating, not manipulating, but restricting access to things like the SWIFT system,

through which banks, including Russian banks, move money around the

world, or even very targeted specific sanctions on Russian individuals. You can see how that might

work. Well, it's absolutely correct. And most importantly, as you introduce this segment,

you know, nobody wants to go to war, nobody wants to be at harm's way,

nobody wants bloodshed. We should avoid that at all cost. And we have a real opportunity here

because of Putin, the way in Putin has held his wealth. So he can't keep all this money he's

stolen in Russia. And he can't keep this money in his own name. And so this money is held

through oligarchs, these rich people that we know as oligarchs, and is held in the West. And

that's his Achilles heel. So on one hand, he's thumping his chest and threatening invasions and

threatening death and destruction. And in the other hand, he's a person who values money more than human life.

Yeah.

And that's, and we have, and that's where he's exposed because that money is being held in the

UK, in the U.S., in Europe.

And we have a piece of legislation, which I was responsible for advocating for,

called the Magnitsky Act.

Yeah.

Which allows Western countries

to freeze those assets. And instead of going to war and all this kind of stuff, the first

course of action, which is something I believe is very strategic and very tactical, is to go after

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