Putin's come to the conviction that the way to create space for Russia as a major power on the international landscape is to chip away at an American-led order.

He's the most powerful Kremlin leader since Stalin, and he's consolidated control and reasserted influence abroad while also facing troubles at home.

Hello, and welcome to the GZero World podcast, where you'll find extended versions of the

interviews from my show on public television.

I'm in Bremer, and today I'll get an inside look at Russian President Vladimir Putin,

his motivations and what's next for the Kremlin.

To help me do it is a veteran diplomat who's

dealt with the Russian president directly, former U.S. ambassador to Russia, Bill Burns. Let's get to it.

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Thank you. Visit FirstRepublic.com to learn more. Ambassador Bill Burns, President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, author of the Back Channel.

Bill, wonderful to see you here.

Thanks.

It's great to be with you.

So I want to ask, talk a little bit.

I mean, you've interacted with President Putin a fair amount individually.

I have.

Tell me what that insight that has given you into where our relationship is with them.

Well, much of my gray hair came from my two tours, you know, over five or six years in the

Foreign Service.

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