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First time I met him, I want to be clear Putin made no impression on me whatsoever.

If you had asked me back in 1991, you know, named 500 people that will be the next president

to replace President Yeltsin, he would have not made my list.

And I think that's important for people to understand. He was an accidental president

chosen by Yeltsin. It wasn't some populist demand for who he was.

He will try to get people off their game, say something surprising. At one point he said

to Vice President Biden, when the press break came in, he said, oh, Vice President Biden

and I just agreed to visa free travel. He put in our two countries and he just wanted

to see how Biden would react. Mike McFall is the director of the Institute

for International Studies at Stanford University. He was the US ambassador to Russia from 2012

to 2014. Prior to that, Mike served as the senior director of Russian and Eurasian affairs

on the National Security Council staff. Mike and I just sat down to talk about all things

Russia. We'll be right back with that discussion after a word from our sponsor.

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