All right, Alexander, we are a couple of days removed from the phone call between Macron and Putin.

The Kremlin, and I think this was done on purpose, the Kremlin interviewed, or they had their reporter, Zadubin.

Yeah, Zadubin interviewed Peskhov.

And this was intentional, and he interviewed Peskof, and they made it clear in the exchange as they were talking about the phone call between Putin and Macron, that it was Macron who initiated the call with Putin. Because in the readouts, they didn't say who initiated the call. But in this interview, I think the Kremlin wanted to make it clear that it was Macron

that was chasing after Putin.

And so that's what Peskov said in this interview with the Russia journalist, Zerubin.

So the phone call between Putin and Macron, Macron calling Putin. Definitely a sign of European defeat.

They're finally starting to realize that they cannot win this conflict with Russia.

We're still at the beginning of this realization of reality hitting the European Union.

But finally, a little bit of reality is breaking into their EU bubble.

And Macron was the person who had to step up and call Putin.

Who else was going to call Putin?

Who would it have been Ursula, Ayek, Alice, Mertz?

It had to be Makron.

There's no one else.

So what were your thoughts on this fall call?

It was a fascinating call in many ways.

It lasted for two hours.

That's longer than any of the calls that Putin has had with Trump.

And it's typical.

And it's interesting that you made the point about Peskov's interview with Sarubin, because

of course what you can actually see from that interview is the drip of Russian contempt

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