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Love the government, hug the government, love the government, love the government, love, the government, welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan rational and civil debate on American politics and policy.

I'm Trey Ornorf, a political scientist at Oklahoma Christian University.

And I'm joined by Stephanie Baker, author of Punishing Putin, inside the global economic war to bring down Russia. Stephanie is a senior writer

at Bloomberg News and Bloomberg Business Week. Stephanie, welcome to the politics, guys.

Thanks for having me. I always love getting to do our book shows. And Stephanie, I'll be honest,

this is one of my favorite ones I've read recently,

in part because you just kind of have a really gripping narrative, but you move around in time

a little bit, I think very effectively to try to really get at. I mean, the central piece of

your book is this idea of we've had this huge

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