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Putin invades Ukraine

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🗓️ 23 February 2022

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Summary

Ben assesses the escalating situation in Ukraine, from Putin’s recognition of separatist regions and his deployment of troops as peacekeepers to the first wave of sanctions against Russia. Then, he chats with Max Seddon, bureau chief of The Financial Times in Moscow, about Putin’s state of mind and the current political mood in Russia. And USAID Administrator Samantha Power drops by to share her perspective on what’s at stake in Ukraine, as well as a few encouraging updates on the global COVID vaccination effort.

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0:00.0

Welcome back to Potsay of the World, I am Ben Rhodes. It has only been three days since

0:16.9

our emergency pod and that feels like about three years because a lot of things have happened.

0:22.6

We began Monday with a call for a potential summit between the President of Russia and

0:28.2

the United States and that feels like a really long time ago because we saw Varmar Putin really

0:34.4

cast the die yesterday. We saw him hold a Russian Security Council meeting with his top advisers

0:41.9

in which they each looking very threatened and uncomfortable, endorsed the idea of recognizing the

0:49.7

so-called People's Republic of Danyetsk and People's Republic of Lohansk, the two Russian separatist

0:56.9

controlled regions of Ukraine that we talked about on the last podcast. Then after that meeting

1:05.5

came a very long and very troubling and rambling speech by Varmar Putin in which he seemed to question

1:13.7

Ukraine's very right to exist. And we get into that today in a very fascinating conversation that

1:18.3

I have with Max Sedden who's the FT Financial Times reporter in Moscow. Then on Tuesday we saw

1:24.8

Putin double down on his announcements from Monday as Russian lawmakers gave him permission to

1:30.0

use military force outside of Russia to back the separatist and to back the claim of the separatist

1:36.0

to the entire Donbass region. And so you'll recall from our last podcast. Right now the Russian

1:43.3

back separatist only controlled a portion of that area. Russia has now authorized the use of

1:48.2

military force to essentially claim the independence of the entire region of Donbass. And I think

1:54.0

based on Putin's rhetoric, they're obviously worries that he's going to go farther than just that.

1:59.2

Putin also gave a list of three demands that had to be met by Ukraine and the West,

2:03.2

international recognition of Crimea as part of Russia, an end to Ukraine's NATO membership bid

2:09.2

and a halt of all weapons shipments to Ukraine. So Putin continuing to set the diplomatic bar

2:14.1

far above where he knows the United States or the West is willing to go. And certainly the people

2:19.2

of Ukraine have been willing to go. The world's leaders and diplomats have decried the situation.

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