Put a Ring on It: Debunking the Myth of Bill Belichick's Consigliere
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pablo Torre
4.7 • 2.6K Ratings
🗓️ 24 October 2025
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
Carolina football GM Mike Lombardi likes to talk about himself as a three-time Super Bowl champion operating an NFL team in college. But not all Super Bowl rings are created equal. Correspondent (and UNC dad) David Fleming joins Pablo to fact-check the $1.5 million man, for a roadmap to how the Belichick administration became such a (taxpayer-funded) disaster.
• Order David Fleming's book, "A Big Mess in Texas: The Miraculous, Disastrous 1952 Dallas Texans and the Craziest Untold Story in NFL History":
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. |
| 0:06.0 | I'll jump on the wagon a little bit just because I don't like him using the fact that he was part of the 49 organization and all they did was cook at sandwiches, right? |
| 0:16.0 | Right after this ad. |
| 0:19.0 | This is a different sort of North Carolina football investigation. |
| 0:27.2 | Dave Fleming, thank you for being here, by the way. |
| 0:29.2 | My pleasure. Thanks for having me back. |
| 0:31.5 | You are not merely a seasoned PTF correspondent. |
| 0:35.3 | You're not merely a longtime NFL reporter with a new football |
| 0:38.6 | book out yourself this month. That's right. Put that away. That's not the book we're here to talk |
| 0:43.7 | about. You're also a North Carolina resident. And taxpayer, yes. And taxpayer who has been |
| 0:50.2 | quietly spending this particular college football season on a top secret assignment for |
| 0:55.5 | us because you are also, most crucially, what? |
| 1:00.2 | The proud father of a Tar Heel senior, Kate Fleming, and we both want to know why you hate |
| 1:08.5 | me so much, Bob. That's what we really want to know. |
| 1:11.6 | Hold on, hold on. |
| 1:12.5 | I thought that sending you on an assignment to go watch Carolina with your child would be a joy. |
| 1:19.0 | Yeah, you would mean. |
| 1:20.1 | It's like the Fleming's team up to do an investigation for PTFO. |
| 1:25.2 | And it seemed like it was going to be great for about three minutes. |
| 1:30.3 | But Kate and I actually and my wife Kim attended the first game, the TCU game. |
| 1:35.7 | The season opener. |
| 1:36.5 | Right. |
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