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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

Push it to the (debt) limit

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Politics, Government

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 8 October 2021

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

What actually happens if the nation defaults on its debt? Planes fall out of the sky, the streets run red with blood — OK, not literally. But the reality could be economic catastrophe: "Market chaos, economic chaos, all for absolutely no good reason," explains POLITICO’s Ben White. After a week of debt-ceiling drama in D.C., Ben joins Playbook co-author Eugene Daniels to unpack the partisan fights, doomsday hypotheticals and one of the most absurd twists so far: a trillion-dollar coin. Eugene Daniels is a co-author of POLITICO Playbook.Ben White is chief economic correspondent for POLITICO.Carlos Mucha is an attorney who popularized the idea of minting a trillion-dollar coin.Adrienne Hurst is a producer for POLITICO audio.Annie Rees is a producer for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is senior producer for POLITICO audio.Irene Noguchi is the executive producer of POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Every time the debt ceiling approaches, people call me and say, hey, so what do you think about it?

0:05.0

So we were one of those phone calls, Carlos Mucha answered.

0:09.0

Yeah.

0:10.0

I have never taken an economics class in my life.

0:13.0

He's a lawyer in economics enthusiast.

0:16.0

No, it's like fantasy football or something.

0:19.0

There are some people who are paid to study economics and that's great.

0:22.0

But it's something I do for free.

0:24.0

You might not know him by name, but about a decade ago

0:28.0

through a comment on a blog post, Carlos popularized an idea to avoid a national debt crisis

0:34.0

by minting a trillion dollar coin.

0:38.0

Yeah, that's right.

0:39.0

Creating a coin out of thin air, that's worth one trillion dollars, minting it

0:43.0

and using it to pay off the nation's debt.

0:45.0

Sounds easy, right?

0:47.0

The coin eject allows the mint at the direction of the Secretary of the Treasury

0:52.0

to mint platinum coins of any denomination.

0:56.0

And so the mint could send over a trillion dollar coin,

0:59.0

and then they would get the profits.

1:01.0

And that really was the genesis of the idea.

1:03.0

The potential for default in all the collateral damage has people thinking far and wide

1:09.0

about how to avoid catastrophe, including this idea,

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