Hi friends, welcome to the Passion and Purpose podcast with me, your host, Louis Giglio.

On this season of the podcast, I've invited some new and old friends to dive into the threads of grace and glory that we see woven all throughout the scriptures.

The idea for this season came from the recent release of my first

ever 365 day devotional titled Grace and Glory. It's my prayer that both the book and this

season of the Passion and Purpose Podcast would help fix your eyes inward to the grace that

sustains us and upward to the glory that stuns us when we draw closer to

God. Today on the podcast, I'm jumping in with longtime friend and leader Max Lucato.

Max is a phenomenal speaker, a teaching pastor at Oak Hill's Church in San Antonio, Texas,

and the author of several best-selling books. Now, obviously, the several

means lots and lots and lots of best-selling books, including his newest release, What Happens

Next? He has been a voice of encouragement to believers across generations, me being one of them,

and I believe this conversation on the grace and glory of God

will leave you seeing Jesus in a whole new way. So without further ado, let's dive into this

episode of the Passion and Purpose Podcast with Max Lucado. Well, welcome to the Passion and Purpose podcast, Max Lou Cato.

I'm so excited to have you on today.

And it's just great to see your face.

Well, Louis, this face of mine is kind of getting old and worn out.

So I don't know if your taste needs to be corrected but I'll take the compliment it's great

to see you too my friend you know whenever I I have the opportunity and I'm feeling a little in the

doldrums I know where to go I go to the passion Passion YouTube channel, and I just watch that event. I've watched

them all, and I watch and I'll listen to the music, and I can't remain in my seat. I find myself on

my knees or my hands in the air. You know, I've told you this before.

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