Welcome to Media Roots Radio. I'm Abby Martin.

Today we're excited to feature an interview with Barrett Brown. Brown is a

journalist and the founder of Project P.M., a crowd-sourced investigation into the cyberindustrial

complex, which uncovered a vast collaboration between corporations and foreign agents to subvert social

movements. For reporting on the 2011 Stratfor intelligence hack by the anonymous collective,

Barrett faced a draconian 100 years in prison and was ultimately sentenced to 63 months.

Now Barrett is helping filter reality by working on the pursuance project, a software platform

he designed to help journalists, researchers, and activists collaborate.

Barrett, thank you so much for taking the time to join Robbie and I today.

Thank you for having me.

So you launch Pursuance Project. It's an open source software that enables individuals to

organize in the pursuit of shared goals. Talk about what this means for laymen and why you started

this undertaking. We're trying to solve a couple of very fundamental problems, one of which is how do you

get large numbers of people into a shared space and allow them to work together and self-organize

into cohesive, scalable entities

that can grow perpetually without becoming over-encumbered, they can grow more refined as they expand,

and that can ultimately confronts criminalized institutions in ways that are just not viable right now.

And that's essentially what we're trying to do.

Pursuance, you know, the nuances and nuts and bolts are hard to explain without, you know, visual aids because it's a very visualized system.

But in the broad, this is an instance of what we call process democracy, as opposed to institutional

democracy.

This is a method whereby there's no layer, there's no initial arbitrary layer in which some

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