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Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention?

Thank you

Pretty easier listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast brought to you by the dispatched and dispatched media

um, I don't know it was something like 16 18 months ago at the very beginning of the pandemic

We were still trying to figure out

How to do this regularly by remote that we had today's guest and it was very exciting for me because I've been a I can't say lifelong fan

I didn't know that I had heard of him when I was my when I was in grade school, but I was grown up really cool, too

I've been a great fan of our guest today Matt Ridley

former science correspondent for the economist, but he's written a dozen wonderful books including the last time

It was on was for how innovation works um and today he's on in part because he's the co author of

viral the search for the origin of COVID-19 which he's the co author of with Alina Chan

Matt welcome back to the Remnant

Jonah, thank you for having me back on

I'm you have a you're one of the few guests who just simply has an open invitation so whenever you want to come on

You just let me know and you're and you'll you'll come on um

All right, so let's just let's let's start with the book um and and the the point of the book

you

Give much credence to what I assume they call in the UK the same thing the lab leak hypothesis

Uh, why don't you just sort of walk through the investigative story about you know what your book is about

Yeah, so um when the pandemic began I assumed like everybody that it would be a

case of an infected animal in the market

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