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We've often heard that America is a city on a hill, but my guest today argues that it's more a city built on a fault line.

Paul Starr is a Pulitzer Prize winner, the founder of the American prospect,

and a professor at Princeton University. He spent a long time writing about American politics.

He's also been an advisor to presidents in the past. His argument in his new book, American Contradiction, which is a history of the United States and its politics from the 1950s,

is that we've always been a country based on a contradiction.

That we've had the promise of liberty, but the reality of enslavement and exclusion.

One of the things that's most interesting to me about this book is the way that it reveals

the 1990s as a key moment in American politics. We often are nostalgic about the 90s as the time

of relative peace and calm, the moment after the Cold War and before 9-11, before the rise of

populism, before the election of Barack Obama engendered the backlash of

the Tea Party and eventually the populism of Donald Trump. But as Star tells the story,

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