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I'm really excited about my guest today, the great Pablo Tori, the Pulitzer Prize-winning Pablo Tori.

He is, of course, the host of Pablo Tori finds out, which just won a Pulitzer.

New episodes drop every Tuesday and Thursday.

He was one of Times times 100 best podcasts of

all time um he was podcaster of the year by the podcast economy a man with many many

decorations welcome to the show sir it's good to hear your obituary before you die and so thank you

donnie for having me i see you way too early in the morning.

Yes. I didn't mention. Yes. How did you end up on morning? You all of a sudden have become, not all of a sudden. You're now a regular morning Joe. How did that happen? Because you were a PTI guy, you were an ESPN guy, podcast. And it was a little bit of a different, welcome different flavor for morning show. I don't know. I kind of feel like the kid who's like the neighbor in the

sitcom is a guitar riff and then I like come through the door and like I'm here to do some hijinks. I don't know, Joe who is, I think as you've experienced personally, he is a he's a scout. And so I'm on ESPN and he's like, we want to talk sports. as you know, one of the great dynamics of Morning Joe is how you and I and so many people want to talk sports and it bleeds into politics.

And I think I'm an enabler.

I'm an enabler of Joe's worst instincts.

And now we validated him, unfortunately, by hanging out together.

You and I have with different guys, but we have a similar role in that

we're a little bit of a different palate cleanser on Morning Joe, a little different flavor.

We talk politics, but neither one of us are traditional political pundits. And we kind of,

we lends everything through our expertise. And I think it brings something to the show.

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