Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Jane Perlez on her new podcast series, Face-Off
Sinica Podcast
Kaiser Kuo
4.8 • 676 Ratings
🗓️ 2 May 2024
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
This week on Sinica, veteran reporter Jane Perlez, who served as bureau chief for the New York Times in Beijing until 2019, joins to discuss her new podcast series Face-Off, which explores different facets of the U.S.-China relationship. We also talk about the state of Western journalism in China in the wake of tit-for-tat expulsions of reporters from the U.S. and China that took place during the Trump administration, and the challenges of covering China well without people on the ground in country.
5:16 – How Jane Perlez got into podcasting
7:59 – The challenge of understanding Xi Jinping
12:44 – The Face-Off podcast and appealing to a general audience
19:00 – Face-Off’s interview with Zhao Tong on the nuclear issue; the importance of quality diplomacy; and debating the efficacy of the S&ED
30:48 – The pleasure of meeting Yo-Yo Ma
36:52 – The state of Western journalists in China, and how the situation may eventually play out
48:44 – The difficulty of covering China from the outside
53:52 – What’s next for Jane Perlez and the Face-Off podcast
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| 0:00.0 | Hey folks, I wanted to pass along a terrific job opportunity at the Carter Center for someone |
| 0:06.7 | with China experience and good writing, analytical, and communication skills. |
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| 0:28.2 | by waging peace, fighting disease, and building hope. For decades, this has included |
| 0:34.8 | programming to wage peace between the United States and China. |
| 0:39.3 | The Office of the Vice President for Peace Programs at the Carter Center is hiring a senior |
| 0:45.3 | program associate to design, implement, and manage its portfolio of China-focused projects. |
| 0:52.3 | They will work with the Center's Senior Advisor on China, |
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| 1:04.0 | conducting their own line of research and writing. If this sounds like something that you |
| 1:09.6 | or someone you know would be interested in, |
| 1:11.4 | then visit the Carter Center's website for more information. |
| 1:14.1 | That is at uscnpm.org. |
| 1:19.5 | That's uscnpm.org. |
| 1:24.9 | Now on with the show. |
| 1:26.9 | Music Now on with the show. Welcome to the Cynica Podcast, the weekly discussion of current affairs in China. |
| 1:39.8 | In this program, we'll look at books, ideas, new research, intellectual currents, and cultural trends that can help us better understand what's happening in China's politics, foreign relations, economics, and society. |
| 1:53.3 | Join me each week for in-depth conversations that shed more light and bring less heat to how we think and talk about China. |
| 2:01.7 | I'm Kaiser Guo, coming to you from Chapel Hill, North Carolina. |
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