Just imagine what your best Christmas ever would sound like.

Thank you for calling National Lottery. I can see you calling about a winner today, is that correct?

Yeah, I think I have. I'd just take to double check before I do a cartwheel.

Yeah, I can confirm that you have won the top prize 1.2 million oh my

what happy Christmas why do now you have the best Christmas ever this Christmas it could be you. The National Lottery. Rules and procedures apply. Players must be

18 or over. Hello and welcome to the game podcast from The Times, I'm Gabriel Marcozzi and I thank you, thank you, thank you for joining us.

With me in the studio today, it's the excellent Bill Edgar, the man so good that they gave him

two first names. And rejoining us, it's Julian Lawrence. Am I pronouncing your name correctly so I don't get the pedant?

Would you like to pronounce your own name please?

There's many ways.

Even in France you can say the S at the end.

You can say Laurent, you can say Laurent, you can say Laurent, you can say Laurent, you can say,

Laurent, there's no tea at the end.

No, but you don't have to say the yes.

Even where my dad's family is from way

on the Spanish border, they don't always say the yes at the end.

Was it by the Spanish border?

Yeah, when they crossed over they call it Loudens.

Yeah, exactly.

That's where we were from originally.

Later on, we'll also be talking about the man who never gets relegated,

who won't be getting relegated this year because well he's

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