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This is Deep State Radio.

Coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement

of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C.

and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello and welcome to a special edition of the podcast.

As you know, every so often, we get together with somebody who has written a book

that we think is important, and we have a conversation because we want you to see what's in the book,

and perhaps even buy the book.

And in this particular case, the book is by someone who has been a friend of the podcast

and somebody who I think is widely admired in the United States, Dr. Lena Wen.

The book is called Lifelines, a doctor's journey in the fight for public health.

It is an extraordinarily good book.

Lena, we're really glad to have you here with us.

What I was struck by is the journey.

What I was struck by was your story, because you know, you get to the place where we,

you know, you're the person we know on television who talks about a lot of these issues.

But you start with a really classically American story of sort of starting from zero

and ending up in a remarkable place.

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