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Hello. Hello, everyone. Welcome to this very special live recording of politics theory other. I am not Alex Doherty. He is ill today. My name is Eleanor Penny. I'm in my, with my other hat on, the host of the Verso podcast and sometimes also the host of Navarra FM.

And that's why I'm with you here today to step into Alex's very large, capacious, political shoes.

And I have the delight of being joined today by Richard Seymour.

Round of applause, please.

Richard. being joined today by Richard Seymour. Round of applause, please. Richard Seymour is a London-based writer

and a founding editor of Salvege magazine.

He's the author of The Twittering Machine,

The Disenchanted Earth,

and his next book, upcoming from Verso Books,

is Disaster Nationalism,

the Downfall of liberal civilization.

And we also have Gargi Batacharya.

Welcome, Gargi.

Gargi lives and works in London,

and their books include dangerous brown men,

rethinking racial capitalism, and we, the heartbroken.

I'm so excited to have a conversation with both of them today, both key thinkers and theorists

for this particular overlap of political crises that we find ourselves in, right?

I don't know about you, but certainly for the last few years, I've heard the phrase that the far right is on the rise,

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