PT582 – Is the DEA Sabotaging Psychedelic Research? Inside the Push to Schedule DOI and DOC, with Hamilton Morris
Psychedelics Today
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4.6 • 598 Ratings
🗓️ 21 January 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Joe interviews renowned chemist, filmmaker, and journalist, Hamilton Morris.
After originally backing down from its first attempt in 2022, the DEA is once again looking to apply schedule I status to two lesser-known compounds: DOI (2,5-dimethoxy-4-iodoamphetamine) and DOC (2,5-dimethoxy-4-chloroamphetamine). For decades, DOI and DOC have been incredible tools for researchers studying serotonin receptors, showing promise for chronic pain, anxiety, depression, and more.
Originally recorded as a livestream in November, we felt this discussion deserved more attention, as Morris was present during the hearing and saw first-hand the damage that can come from the combination of immense overreach and outdated beliefs.
He talks about:
- The bureaucratic mess behind so much of what the DEA doe
- The safety profile and research capacity of DOI and DOC and complete lack of data showing recreational us
- The DEA's claim that advocates weren't expert
- The fight to protect the Sonoran Desert toad
and more!
While we wait for the conclusion of the hearing, head to Hamilton's Patreon to hear his daily breakdowns.
For links, head to the show notes page.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, everybody. How are you today? This is Psychedelics. Today, I am Joe Moore. |
| 0:19.2 | Today on the show, let me do something slightly different. We actually |
| 0:22.8 | did this episode of the podcast as a live stream a little while ago. Hamilton Morris was kind |
| 0:29.4 | enough to join us to talk about the recent DOI, DEA case, and kind of share a lot of details of his experience being in the courtroom |
| 0:41.7 | with a number of passionate advocates from a number of different groups, including SSDP, |
| 0:48.3 | and I think Pantasy of Life Sciences maybe was there and a few others. |
| 0:52.3 | But this is a really important court case. And it's good for you |
| 0:56.4 | all to understand this one, I think, and understand how important this fight is that we're all on |
| 1:03.6 | to make sure the DEA is an overreaching more than they should. And it's actually phrased carefully. |
| 1:12.0 | So anyway, I hope you enjoy this one. |
| 1:14.6 | And I really loved chatting with Hamilton. |
| 1:17.9 | As always, very thoughtful. |
| 1:20.2 | I'm almost embarrassed after I talk to him |
| 1:21.8 | because he does so much research. |
| 1:24.1 | I'm like, okay, I'm really going to up my game. |
| 1:26.6 | If Hamilton's working this hard. So, thank you, |
| 1:28.4 | Hamilton. And yeah, if you want to support the show, consider learning about vital or telling |
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| 1:41.5 | very up to speed all over psychedelics with a specialization and integration and |
| 1:45.8 | preparation. And it's been one of the biggest honors of my life to be partly responsible for |
| 1:52.1 | the vital program. And I think it's one of the greatest things out there in psychedelia right now. |
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