PT573 – The War on Drugs: The DEA's Attempt to Schedule DOI & DOC and the Fight for Sensible Policy, with Kat Murti

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🗓️ 13 December 2024

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Joe interviews Kat Murti: executive director of Students for Sensible Drug Policy (SSDP), the largest nationwide network of students fighting to replace the War on Drugs with policies rooted in evidence, compassion, and human rights.

She talks about how she became interested in drug policy, which not surprisingly aligns with the many problems of The War on Drugs: how it's a war on people, personal liberty, and our communities; how laws are not effective in enforcing morality; and how getting in trouble with the law often incentivizes more illegal activity. We all know that our current system doesn't work and that the drug war no longer appeals to most reasonable people, but how can we move towards sensible policy? She discusses previous successes (both at SSDP and before), and some of their current projects, from the work they're doing with fentanyl strip training and distribution, to education work at festivals and their program, "Just Say Know."

She talks about:

How drug policy isn't going to look the same everywhere and shouldn't: How do we effectively use different models in different places together for the benefit of everyone?
The dangers of forcing drug users through drug courts and treatment centers
The repealing of Oregon's Measure 110 and how it's unfair to blame its failure on problems that already existed in the state
Their new focus on how the War on Drugs specifically affects women and reproductive rights, inspired by Louisiana recently scheduling Mifepristone and Misoprostol

and much more.

The SSDP's biggest battle now is fighting the DEA's attempted scheduling of DOI and DOC, two compounds that have been used in research for decades and pose no real threat to safety – which would drastically derail a ton of research. They just completed a 10-day hearing with the DEA. Watch Joe and Hamilton Morris' breakdown here, and stay tuned to SSDP and PT for updates.

For links, head to the show notes page.

Transcript

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0:00.0	Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Psychedelics today. This is Joe Moore coming out from Brack Ranch, Colorado.
0:17.1	Today on the show, we have Kat Murty, who is the executive director for the students for sensible drug policy, an organization I've long loved. And they're doing some really great
0:27.0	work around drug policy. And I think there's, you know, some psychedelic conversation here,
0:33.0	especially near the end, where we get into a lot around the DEA's attempts around scheduling DOI and DOC
0:40.1	and, you know, a few other things around safe supply. So I hope you all enjoy this episode and
0:45.3	learn a bunch. I certainly had a great time getting to know Kat and looking forward to more
0:50.6	conversations with SSDP. All right, everybody, enjoy the show. See you on the other side.
0:57.8	Hi, everybody, enjoy the show. See you on the other side. Hi, everybody. Welcome back to psychedelics today. We're joined by the executive director of
1:01.8	SSDP, Students for Sensible Drug Policy. Kat Murdi. How are you doing today?
1:05.9	Hi. Thanks for having me. Yeah, really excited to be here with you. I'm been a big fan of SSDP for ages.
1:13.6	I think you're the second executive director.
1:16.6	I've had the opportunity of chatting to with SSDP.
1:19.6	So I'm very excited about getting to connect with you here and learning all about the org.
1:24.6	And hopefully we can get into some of this spicy fun with the DOI, DOC thing with
1:28.2	the DEA and much more. Absolutely. Yeah, really excited to talk to you. We've been around for quite
1:34.2	a while. So I'm not surprised you've talked to someone else. We've been around since 1998 and I've
1:38.8	been an SSDP here since 2009. Oh, outstanding. So what brought you to be interested in these drug policy conversations?
1:49.6	Yeah, that's actually a really good question.
1:52.0	So I am, I'm personally very interested in ideas of individual sovereignty, self-ownership,
1:59.8	and things like that.
2:01.4	I'm a libertarian.
2:02.2	I always have been since I was a small child.
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