PT568 – The 3-Axis Framework: A New Model for Psychedelic Work, with Pierre Bouchard, LPC, LM
Psychedelics Today
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4.6 • 598 Ratings
🗓️ 26 November 2024
⏱️ 70 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Kyle interviews Pierre Bouchard, LPC, LM: therapist, minister, and former professional vinyl DJ specializing in psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy and ministry.
Bouchard introduces his 3-axis framework for psychedelic integration, which looks at the personal, the transpersonal, and, with time, seeing how the lessons learned from non-ordinary experiences and personal work are expressing to the world: How can we use what we've learned to show up better? How can we use our gifts to be of service to others? What is stopping us? He also talks about the importance of building a foundation for holding the experience of a psychedelic journey - that you have to first build an ego to later dissolve it - but recognizes the tricky balance of not strengthening an ego so much that it gets in the way.
He discusses:
- The broad scope of what someone can mean when they say "psychedelic healing"
- The importance of keeping the 3 axes in harmony - that you should always be attending to each
- Why someone beginning a healing journey needs to be smart, curious, and desperate
- The challenge of discerning between an entity or a projection: How do we know what to take from that experience?
- Why practitioners and therapists need to find a balance between being confident and humble
and more!
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Psychialyx today. |
| 0:14.0 | My name is Kyle Buller and I am the host for today's episode. |
| 0:17.2 | And today we are welcoming Pierre Bouchard back onto the show. |
| 0:20.9 | I got to drive down to Pierre's place in Colorado, sit down in person, and have an in-person chat, which was delightful and really wonderful. |
| 0:31.8 | We have the video up on YouTube if you want to check that out and check us out over there. |
| 0:36.7 | So if you don't remember, |
| 0:38.0 | if you haven't listened to one of the past episodes with Pierre, Pierre Bouchard is a licensed |
| 0:43.6 | professional counselor and minister with a group practice in Boulder and Lions, Colorado, and is |
| 0:49.0 | a former professional vinyl DJ, and he integrates interpersonal neurobiology and trauma therapy within in-depth |
| 0:57.3 | studies of Buddhist psychology, transpersonal depth work, ritual, and consciousness |
| 1:03.0 | exploration through psychedelic psychotherapy and ministry. And Pierre is a lead trainer for |
| 1:10.5 | the congregation for sacred practices, |
| 1:12.9 | serves as a clinical consultant for the Holness Center in Fort Collins, and has operated |
| 1:17.3 | as a faculty or guest lecturer in psychedelic-assisted therapy facilitator programs for |
| 1:22.9 | organizations such as Europa, Vital, Soundmind, and other organizations. |
| 1:32.2 | And he also consults internationally and is committed to effective, nuance, and ethical reemergence of psychedelics. |
| 1:34.9 | And I would encourage you, if you haven't listened to the previous episodes, to go back and |
| 1:38.8 | listen to these conversations that we've had with PR in the past. |
| 1:43.2 | Just always a wealth of information and just always love the conversations that we've had with Pierre in the past. Just always a wealth of information and just always |
| 1:46.0 | love the conversations that we have with Pierre on the podcast. So thanks again, Pierre, for coming on the show. |
| 1:52.3 | And so in this episode, we chat about the evolving process of working with psychedelics. We talk about |
| 1:58.5 | a three-axis model that Pierre has been putting together to kind of categorize |
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