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PT516 – Embracing the Mystery: Making Psychedelic Literature Engaging, with Sean Lawlor

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4.6598 Ratings

🗓️ 28 May 2024

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Joe interviews Sean Lawlor: writer and therapist specializing in ketamine-assisted therapy at Reflective Healing in Fort Collins, CO.

His first book, Psychedelic Revival: Toward a New Paradigm of Healing, will be released on June 4. Written as somewhat of a primer for psychedelics and psychedelic therapy, he talks about how he decided to write the book, how Michael Pollan was an influence, and the importance of making psychedelic literature not boring: Research and statistics are important, but how does one relate to data points when trying to understand something so rich and weird?

He discusses:

  • Studying philosophy, from Nietzsche and Freud to Jung and William James
  • When a clinical frame or license is important (but can you always trust a license?)
  • How context and interwoven culture matter when differentiating between plant medicines and man-made psychedelics
  • Brian Muraresku's The Immortality Key and research into ancient Greeks using psychedelics: Why do we place so much importance on proving this?
  • The importance of community, rituals, shared meanings, mythology, and rites of passage
    and more!

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, everybody and welcome back to psychedelics today. This is Joe Moore here coming at you from

0:16.5

Breckenrich, Colorado. Today on the show, we have Sean Lawler, who is a long-time participant in the space,

0:24.7

Naropa grad, and working on licensure for counseling. And he wrote a book called The Psychedelic

0:32.8

Revival, which I'm about, you know, a quarter of the way through it and very impressed so far. I think

0:39.6

this could be one of the better intro books we've seen yet. So we will see if in time I recommend

0:48.1

it more than the Fatima and Psychedelic Explorers Guide, but there's a good chance. I'm really

0:53.0

liking the style and flow.

0:54.4

So I've known Sean for years now. It was a pleasure to have him up here in Breckenridge to record this in person.

1:01.4

Yeah, thank you, Sean, for making it happen. All right, everybody, I think that's it for the intro.

1:06.1

Please enjoy this episode with Sean Lawler, and we'll see you on the other side.

1:13.6

Here we are today in the psychedelics state headquarters in Breckridge, Colorado, joined by Sean

1:20.6

Lawler. How are you doing today? Doing great, Joe. It's really good to be here for Simon Breckenridge.

1:25.5

Really? Yeah, yeah. We've been meeting to come here for so long

1:28.8

and it's just beautiful, such a beautiful day. It is gorgeous out. Yeah, it's great to link up up here,

1:35.8

finally. I feel like I've known you for many years now, but I had very few chances to actually

1:43.0

link up. So this is special. So thanks for making it.

1:45.7

Absolutely. Yeah. It's really nice. So we're here today to talk about this new book, which I'm very excited about,

1:51.7

psychedelic revival towards a new paradigm of healing. This is definitely, I think, going to be a pretty

1:58.6

impactful book overall for the space.

2:01.6

Thanks Joe.

2:02.6

I haven't had a chance to read all of it yet, but what I have read is, I think, pretty ideal

2:06.6

for what this burgeoning weird movement needs or space.

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