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PT465 – Shauheen Etminan, Ph.D. & Jonathan Lu – Beta-carbolines, Haoma, and Syrian Rue: Rediscovering Ancestral Knowledge

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Life Sciences, Science, Medicine, Health & Fitness

4.6598 Ratings

🗓️ 1 December 2023

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, David interviews Shauheen Etminan, Ph.D. and Jonathan Lu: Co-Founders of Magi Ancestral Supplements.

Through studying ancient Zoroastrian writings and 2,000 year-old Chinese texts in search of compounds and formulations forgotten by history, Etminan and Lu co-founded drug discovery company VCENNA in 2019 to use extraction technology to isolate these compounds. This led to an understanding of the health properties behind beta-carbolines, which led to their nootropic company, Magi Ancestral Supplements. They talk about the early days and experimenting on themselves, how beta-carbolines create dream-like states, and how their research sent each of them further into their own heritage, and asking themselves: How do we remember what our ancestors knew? 

They discuss espand, haoma, Syrian rue, and how common Syrian rue is in both Iranian culture and psychedelic history; what is a drug vs. what is a supplement; common threads they've seen across different cultures and how we may be repeating some of their mistakes; Etminan's recent ayahuasca experience with the Santo Daime church; and of course, some of Magi Ancestral Supplements' products and their expected effects – from deep meditation to lucid dreaming to even mild hallucinations. You can get 10% off any product using code PT10 here.

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