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PT431 – Matthew W. Johnson, Ph.D. – The Concept of Integration and the Need for Evolving Protocols of Psychedelic Therapy

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Life Sciences, Science, Medicine, Health & Fitness

4.6598 Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2023

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Kyle interviews The Susan Hill Ward Endowed Professor of Psychedelics and Consciousness Research at Johns Hopkins, and renowned researcher of nearly 20 years: Matthew W. Johnson, Ph.D.

Recorded in-person at MAPS' Psychedelic Science after running an 8-hour workshop on psychedelic therapy for addiction treatment, Johnson was still happy to sit down with PT to explore a wide range of topics: the under-researched concept of integration; how to best take advantage of optimal neuroplastic windows; why psycholytic therapy used to be more common; how our current protocols and research models are largely arbitrary; and his hopes for new, experimental, and flexible models of psychedelic therapy.

He also discusses his ongoing smoking cessation studies; the Oregon model (are we doing therapy or not?); misrepresentation in psychedelic therapy and knowing your lane; and the role of music in psychedelics: why shouldn't people pick the music they know will give them goosebumps?

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Thank you. Hello everybody, welcome back to Psychedelics today. This is your host, Kyle Buller, and today on the show, I have the honor and privilege to sit down with Dr. Matthew Johnson, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Johns Hopkins University.

1:33.0

If this is your first time summary across Dr. Johnson's work, there's a chance maybe it

1:37.5

isn't because he's contributed quite a bit in the psychedelic world.

1:41.3

Maybe you've read some papers that he's contributed to. Maybe he didn't know it.

1:46.1

Just do a little Google search on him. But if you want to go back into the psychedelics today archive,

1:51.6

we did a really fantastic interview with him. It is episode 229, and that title is Dr. Johnson.

1:58.5

What is consciousness? And we discuss a paper that he wrote called consciousness, religion,

2:03.5

gurus, and the pitfalls of psychedelic medicine.

2:06.7

In this episode, we get to sit down and chat about so many different things,

2:12.1

but we start off talking about just how the field has been growing and evolving over the years and how, you know,

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