PT428 – Rick Doblin, Ph.D. – The Promise of MAPS' Phase III Data, Psychedelics and Adolescents, and the Need for Honest Drug Education
Psychedelics Today
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4.6 • 598 Ratings
🗓️ 1 August 2023
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, recorded on the eve of MAPS' Psychedelic Science 2023, Kyle interviews MAPS' Founder and President, Rick Doblin, Ph.D.
He begins with an overview of the fast-approaching (and largest ever) psychedelics conference, emphasizing its significant growth, many features, and bipartisan opening ceremony, then discusses MAPS' soon-to-be-released confirmatory Phase III data on MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD, which should set the stage for legal MDMA and the increasing need for trained psychedelic therapists.
As the FDA is requiring studies on adolescents, he discusses this sensitive issue and questions why it's so controversial, since teenage years are often closer to both trauma and a more malleable brain, Indigenous traditions certainly didn't have age limits, and honest drug education – something that is absolutely necessary to fight the backlash against this quickly growing field – teaches us that it's not the substance; it's our relationship to it. Could not having these rites of passage be hurting us?
He also discusses the natural vs. synthetic conflict; breathwork; whether or not cannabis is truly damaging to young minds; Federal rescheduling vs. state rescheduling; why it's controversial to give therapists MDMA in training; Gul Dolen's work with reopening critical periods; psychedelics in couples therapy; and much more.
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| 0:00.0 | Okay, so summer is here. And if you're anything like me, you're busy vacationing with your family, catching festivals with your friends, and picking back up on all that time that we missed with each other over the last couple of years. |
| 0:14.1 | But amid all our trips, our scheduling, our careers, and our family obligations, it can be really easy to forget about taking care of what's |
| 0:22.2 | most important ourselves. That's why here at psychedelics today, we're working hard to create |
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| 0:34.0 | retreats on the planet. We're thrilled to announce that we're hosting six spectacular |
| 0:40.2 | psychedelic retreats over the coming months, and anyone who feels called is welcome to join us. |
| 0:46.7 | We are working with partners at Sillus-Sybin centers in Amsterdam, Jamaica, and Portugal, |
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| 0:54.7 | Rica and Pennsylvania. |
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| 1:11.9 | can find what they're looking for. I went to a retreat in South America in the spring, |
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| 1:50.9 | We hope to see you there. Hello, everybody. |
| 1:51.8 | Welcome back to Psychialax. |
| 1:52.7 | Today, this is your host, Kyle Buller, and today on the show I have the honor to sit down with Rick Doblin in person. |
| 1:58.3 | This interview took place the Sunday before the conference officially got |
| 2:02.0 | started. I guess there was probably some workshops and such going on at that time. But we chat about |
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