Welcome back, everybody to Psychelics today.

We're here with Johanna Hila.

Johanna, what's up?

Well, yeah, it's going pretty well, I'd say. I don't think you've ever really been on the podcast

besides that episode with John Cobb. And I think you probably deserve, I don't know, a little bit of

intro and yeah, who are you? Oh you oh well I'm the coordinator of

education and training at Psychedelics today I am helped to run vital as you

probably know and maybe some of the listeners know as well I'm originally from

Finland but I currently live in the UK I have a background in psychology and religious studies.

I wrote my master thesis on the work of Carla Jung, and since then I've also appeared on your

guys' site in the form of this course on Jungian psychology and psychedelics. At the moment,

I'm doing my PhD in philosophy of science at the

University of Exeter. And yeah, well, that probably is sufficient to start with. Yes, thank you. Yeah,

it's kind of crazy. We haven't really had you on the podcast, even though you're a rock star and

really running vital and

have just been a huge part of this program and Psych Alexe in general. So thanks so much for

your work and yeah, a fun journey ahead. Well, it's been so much fun to be part of it. I'm

very grateful and super excited for what's to come. Yeah. So we're here in Montico Bay down Jamaica. We just

wrapped up our first, well, our fourth Vital retreat. And our first one here in Jamaica,

we're running two retreats here in Jamaica for Vital. So yeah, it's fun. We're finally getting to

be in person a lot more, which is nice, getting to meet

our students in person. The retreats are wonderful, kind of part of the vital experience and

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