Hey everybody, it's David here, letting you know that we are launching our next round of

navigating psychedelics for clinicians and therapists. It starts on Wednesday, September the 14th,

and then meeting each week for nine weeks. And there are two groups with different time

slots you can choose from. So navigating psychedelics is the course that I took a couple of years ago and it changed my

life and my career big time and now I have the pleasure of co-facilitating this round of the course

alongside our guest teachers, Jasmine Verdi and Sarah Reid. So if you want to find out more about

the syllabus and the structure of the course, go to psychedelic education center.com.

And you can also sign up for a free Q&A webinar that we're offering every Wednesday until the course starts.

To book your webinar spot, go to psychedelics today.com forward slash events.

Hello, everybody.

Welcome back to Psychedelics today.

This is Joe Moore coming out.

You're from Breck and Ranch, Colorado.

Today on the show, we have Brennan Gubauer and Mark Haberstrow, who's been on the show before. I think Brennan and Mark met as part of

navigating psychedelics for clinicians and therapists a year or two ago. They've developed a friendship,

and we recorded this podcast at lightning in a bottle in

California this year in 2022 I think this is a really interesting and deep important

conversation highlighting a lot of nuance and complexity I think humans kind of inherently

want to simplify things so it's a nice neat clean narrative all the time. And really, things are

very complicated. And so we talk a lot about psychedelics and ethics and facilitation and things

going on in the space. So, you know, asking a lot of really fundamental and deep questions,

I think. It's a big deal here. And I just really grateful

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