Hello, everybody, welcome back to psychedelics today.

This is Joe Moore coming at you from Breckenridge, Colorado.

Today on the show, we have Jason Grichannick, the host of the universe within podcast, also a longstanding person

involved in ayahuasca, really interesting character, had a great time recording with Jason

today. I think both of us weren't really too familiar with each other's work, and it was just a

really great chance happening.

Turns out a number of mutual friends have been trying to get us to speak for years. So it's really lovely to get a chance to connect and dig in. We go all over the map, talk a lot about how

kind of the ayahuasca plant medicine traditions do have some really interesting overlaps with the Western world,

all sorts of comparative stories between, you know, West and traditional practices.

For whatever reason, I was falling back to the hippie thing, East and East and East, Meets West.

Not what we talked about here, ancient meets modern.

And really, really great time.

This is the longer one.

I think it's almost an hour and 40 minutes, maybe a little bit more than that.

So hold on everybody.

And yeah, Jason's done work at Temple of the Way of Light and all sorts of really great places.

So really appreciate Jason.

Thank you mutual friends who tried to get us

to connect years ago. And yeah, hope to reconnect with Jason more in the future. Really,

really fun stuff here. So enjoy this one. This is a little more woo maybe. Well, we talk a lot more

about philosophy, religion, and energy, and spirit, things like that.

There's not as much clinical conversation as we usually have.

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