Hello, everybody, welcome back to Psychedelics Day. This is your host, Kyle Buller.

If this is your first time tuning in, welcome to the show. And if you're a longtime listener and supporter, thank you so much for being with us.

Today on the show, I am joined by Dr. Ryan Westrom.

You might remember Ryan from a previous episode.

Ryan's an integration therapist.

And I really encourage you all to go back and check out that episode.

If you want to learn more about Ryan's work,

we get into talking about his integration book and what integration is and just the integration

process in that last episode. So you can check that out by going to psychedelics today.com

and going over to the podcast section and finding Ryan's older episode. It was about like a year

ago or so. So I won't give too much of an intro about who Ryan is. So you can go back and

check that episode out if you want. In this episode, we kind of play catch up. It's been a little

bit since Ryan has last been on the show and just wanted to kind of check in. And it was actually really kind of synchronistic. I might have mentioned this in the show, but I was going through some books and I pulled out his integration workbook. And I was like, I wonder how Ryan's doing. And then literally like, I think like a few hours later, he sent me a message about wanting to catch up. So I was like, oh, synchronicity. Let's just record

about it and get you back on the show. So yeah, we just chatted about Ryan's little break from

social media and the internet and really kind of taking the time with COVID to go inward and to

do some of that work. We also get into this interesting conversation about who are we without

the medicine? I think that's a really interesting notion to simmer on. So really thinking about like

these liminal states between sessions and rituals. And I think that's been like a topic for a lot of

folks during this time with COVID where they haven't been able to maybe connect with

their communities. And I know it's been a challenge for me not being able to go do breath

work and connect with that community. I mean, obviously I have my own breath practice that I do

on my own. But, you know, I feel like that community setting, doing the work in that container,

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