Hello, everybody, welcome back to Psychedelics today. This is Joe Moore. Today we are joined by

Betty Aldworth and Ismail Ali, the co-executive directors of Maps. We talk about leadership,

transitions, the future of Maps, and how the organization is thinking about research, education,

policy, and movement building in the next phase of psychedelics.

It's a wide-ranging conversation about responsibility, collaboration, and what comes next.

So it's been a big set of changes at Maps over the past bit of time.

We get to learn about what's coming.

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