PT 631 - Kyle Buller and Joe Moore - Breathwork, Community, Bodywork and more!
Psychedelics Today
Psychedelics Today, LLC
4.6 • 598 Ratings
🗓️ 10 October 2025
⏱️ 65 minutes
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Summary
Joe and Kyle open with reflections from their first r/psychonaut AMA, then pivot to why they're building Navigators—our off-social community with book/film clubs, early ad-free episodes, mentorship, and an expanding education library. The core discussion explores touch and bodywork in breathwork and psychedelic contexts: why defaulting to "no touch" and moving slowly matters; informed consent; reading nonverbals; and keeping client agency central. They unpack trauma-informed concepts like the window of tolerance, polyvagal‐adjacent ideas (and critiques), and the ethics of avoiding re-traumatization or facilitator-driven interventions ("WAIT: Why am I Talking/Treating/Touching?"). The duo emphasize that bodywork requires specialized training and careful framing—supportive, not performative. Plus: updates on upcoming offerings—Advanced Shadow Work with Dr. Ido Cohen (starts Oct 20), music for sessions, digital security for practitioners, spiritual emergence, somatics/trauma, and inner-work integration. Join Navigators to learn in community and help shape future conversations.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, everybody, Joe here. |
| 0:21.0 | All right, everybody. |
| 0:23.4 | Joe here. |
| 0:22.7 | Hope you're doing great. |
| 0:23.9 | Kyle, how are you today? |
| 0:26.7 | Pretty good, Joe. |
| 0:28.2 | And you just wrapped up the little AMA on Reddit, didn't you? |
| 0:29.0 | Yeah, first ever Reddit AMA. |
| 0:32.7 | It was really fun. |
| 0:34.9 | It was Reddit that had like half million people in it or so. Wow, great. Our psychonaut. And maybe a little under half million. I don't really remember the number. But it was cool. It was active. People had me on my toes. It was lovely. Is that a lot since it's like text based and having to like type everything out within an hour? Oh yeah. Yeah. And I'm trying to be quick and I'm trying to like not be too careful. so I'm going to like type everything out within an hour. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I'm trying to be quick and I'm trying to like not be too careful. So I'm just like, oh, okay. Like, you know, some some, uh, spicy things came out. Clearly people that don't like me or my thinking came to the table. But that's fine. I like that kind of stuff, especially when it's, you know, in an open, |
| 0:35.7 | fair place for discussion. Yeah. Yeah, cool. So today, oh, actually, before we get into our topics, |
| 1:12.3 | which are going to be like bodywork, breath work, touch and psychedelic sessions and more, |
| 1:21.4 | let's talk about navigators. So you and I just |
| 1:26.0 | decided we wanted to open up our community and have a few different kind of paid tiers in there |
| 1:27.7 | to support the show, support us, and keep us doing this important work. You can find more at |
| 1:33.2 | psychedelics today.com slash navigators. But can you talk a little bit about why it's important that we're |
| 1:38.6 | going this way and |
| 1:43.8 | starting an online community yeah i think you uh have mentioned i think in the instagram how like |
| 1:45.0 | you know community is important and things that like we've seen over the years is around like you |
| 1:50.4 | know a lot of people's eyeballs are on the platforms all the social media platforms and then it's like |
| 1:55.3 | the algorithms and, |
| 1:59.7 | you know, something that we faced a couple months ago back in the early summer. |
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