PT 600 - Sandor Iron Rope and Zach Leary
Psychedelics Today
Psychedelics Today, LLC
4.6 • 598 Ratings
🗓️ 29 April 2025
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
In this special panel, Joe Moore of Psychedelics Today is joined by Sandor Iron Rope, Lakota spiritual leader and peyote practitioner, and Zach Leary, writer and advocate for psychedelic culture. Together, they explore the critical importance of respecting the cultural, spiritual, and ecological roots of plant medicines. Sandor shares powerful reflections on the Lakota worldview, the trauma of colonization, and the deep spiritual kinship indigenous peoples hold with medicinal plants. Zach reflects on the American counterculture's relationship with psychedelics, highlighting the need to preserve mysticism and community over commercialization.
The panel dives into challenges around synthetic versus natural medicines, the risks of spiritual harm when practices are rushed or disconnected from tradition, and the urgent need for indigenous voices at the table as psychedelic policy evolves. Throughout, a theme emerges: slow down, honor kinship, and build right relationship with nature, culture, and spirit.
This conversation offers a rare and necessary bridge between indigenous wisdom and the psychedelic resurgence, calling for respect, collaboration, and a return to deep roots to guide future generations.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Psychedelics today. |
| 0:03.5 | This is Joe Moore. |
| 0:04.5 | Today on the show, we have Zach Leary and Sandor Iron Rope. |
| 0:10.7 | This was a panel that we had in Aspen. |
| 0:14.3 | I hosted the panel and hosts this really interesting conversation between Zach Leary and Sandra Iron Rope in front of |
| 0:22.2 | the Aspen Psychedelic Symposium group, I guess audience. |
| 0:28.4 | And it was really fun. |
| 0:29.8 | I had a great time. |
| 0:30.8 | And I think we covered some really interesting and important ground. |
| 0:34.5 | Very excited for you all to hear this one. |
| 0:36.6 | And kind of hear from people representing |
| 0:41.0 | very different lineages and, you know, here where they agree, here where they disagree. And |
| 0:49.0 | here that there is room here in this conversation towards, um, you know, growing the common ground |
| 0:56.4 | so we can understand each other more and be better collaborators and neighbors. |
| 1:02.0 | Um, yeah. So thanks, Zach. Thanks, thanks Sandor. Really, really loved having you there. Um, and sharing |
| 1:08.5 | the stage with you all was very humbling to be on stage with you two |
| 1:14.1 | who are very influential and very substantial thinkers and actors in this movement. |
| 1:21.7 | So yeah, thank you all. |
| 1:23.7 | Thanks to Aspen Public Radio, thanks to Aspen Psychedelic Resource Center and Healing Advocacy Fund for putting this conference together and having me and having us all there. |
| 1:34.8 | It was really great. |
| 1:35.8 | So thank you all for tuning into this episode. |
| 1:40.2 | Really, really excited to share this. |
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