(Pt.2) The UFO Secrecy Playbook – It’s Been Used Before: Chris Lehto
That UFO Podcast
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🗓️ 11 August 2025
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
Retired F-16 pilot Chris Lehto returns to discuss the state of UFO disclosure, the role of whistleblowers, and the growing frustration within the UFO community. We explore the impact of Cmdr. Fravor’s testimony, the decentralization of UFO research, media narratives, and how Chris’s military background shapes his view of the phenomenon.
Skywatcher and UFO Phenomenon
The Impact of Non-Human Intelligence Disclosure
The Role of Governments in Disclosure
Historical Analogies and Secrecy
Pilot Reports and UAP Stigma
The State of UAP Journalism
Facing Ontological Shock
Hypotheses on the Phenomenon and the Universe
Pyramid Discoveries and Advanced Technologies
Final Thoughts
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Richard Dolan and you're listening to That UFO podcast. |
| 0:09.0 | We'll dive into listener questions, Chris. |
| 0:11.0 | And interestingly, the very first one was from Dan Lewis and he wanted your thoughts on Beatrice VRL's recent announcements regarding the Vasco project and its discoveries regarding |
| 0:22.5 | vanishing stars from photographic plates pre-Spotnick. Do you feel projects like these will |
| 0:27.9 | lessen the stigma within the scientific community? Always enjoy watching Chris's channel. |
| 0:32.0 | Can't wait to see the interview. And I'll just add, Chris, I was very fortunate to go a couple of |
| 0:36.1 | months ago to see Beatrice |
| 0:38.1 | Vierreel in person. She was presenting at the University of Durham here in the UK, not far from me |
| 0:44.8 | about half hour drive. And she presented the pictures, you know, the initial papers that had been |
| 0:49.6 | presented. So I've got a kind of sneak preview of this and really basically folks I've mentioned this I think on a |
| 0:55.3 | recent podcast but Beatrice is essentially and Chris you can correct me she is showing you a picture of |
| 1:00.9 | stars that are taken and then a second picture with the same stars but some are missing the stars |
| 1:08.3 | shouldn't move and they're trying to present, look, they're not saying |
| 1:11.1 | these are aliens, they're not saying these are UFOs, but from a scientific perspective, |
| 1:16.1 | Beatrice is presenting objects were here, then in this next picture, objects are not here. The object, |
| 1:23.3 | the picture taken months apart, you know, stars don't move in the sky, and she's saying, |
| 1:27.4 | we should be looking to investigate this as scientists. What were these objects? the picture taken months apart, you know, stars don't move in the sky. And she's saying, |
| 1:32.7 | we should be looking to investigate this as scientists. What were these objects? Why have they moved? And what can we do about that? That should be enough to spark and ignite a conversation |
| 1:38.0 | surely in the scientific community. You would think. But she's been presenting that. |
| 1:47.2 | She's been presenting that for two years now, I think. |
| 1:51.0 | You know, I originally saw that a couple years ago. |
| 1:53.0 | I started chatting with her and then I just haven't had her on the show, right? |
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