Pt. 12: ALL The Debates Over 1 Tim 2:11-15: Women in Ministry Series (it took me a year to make this)

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Mike Winger

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🗓️ 23 November 2023

⏱️ 685 minutes

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Time Stamp Map: 12:59 What this passage appears to be saying.23:32 How egalitarians see the passage.33:00 Was this just Paul's personal opinion?1:02:50 The word "permit" shows this doesn't apply to us.1:21:25 Paul has no jurisdiction over us.1:32:07 This is about wives not women.1:46:30 What does "quietly" mean?2:05:30 Does the cult of Artemis change everything?3:36:44 Is "have authority" a wrong translation?8:03:15 The "Bunch of Female False Teachers" view.9:14:32 Why does Paul appeal to Adam and Eve?9:20:44 Are women more easily deceived than men?9:44:00 What does "saved through childbearing" mean?10:56:30 The "Elders Don't Have Authority Anyways" view.11:04:18 Final conclusions. 1 Timothy 2: 11-15 is THE most hotly debated passage in the Bible today, at least in regard to Women in Ministry and possibly in regards to scholarship in general. It APPEARS to clearly limit women's roles in church ministry but... Some say this passage shows that women can't be elders.Others claim it means they can't even be college teachers or politicians.Others say it's just combating ancient hyper-feminism.Others say it's been mistranslated, perhaps by misogynists. Others claim it is really just fighting against the ancient cult of Artemis.Some say it's just about wives and has no application into church ministry.Others say Paul's ruling here has no jurisdiction over us today.Others say it's just Paul's personal opinion and not an apostolic ruling at all.Still others claim a number of other things about this passage, most often seeking to find a newer way to understand it so that it won't limit the roles of women in ministry. Today I'm going to go through ALL the debates and demonstrate the sad failure of egalitarian scholarship to reinterpret this passage, as well as provide some proper corrections for many in the patriarchalist camp. Helpful links... CLICK HERE for the entire Women in Ministry playlist CLICK HERE for my FREE notes for this video, which include countless links and references to sources I quote throughout this teaching CLICK HERE for our brand NEW (and free) scholarly paper from Gary Manning on the use of Authentew in papyrus BGU 1208 CLICK HERE for my year long study through the book of Romans, verse-by-verse CLICK HERE for my full study on divorce and remarriage according to the Bible My website: https://BibleThinker.org

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0:00.0	I've spent a year, a year of my life studying the most controversial passage of the Bible and this is the video teaching on that passage.
0:08.0	And I have been delayed with some significant health issues that have slowed me down a ton, don't get me wrong, but over the past year I've spent the bulk of whatever time I could working on this project.
0:20.0	And this is the video on that project. I've never put this much time into one single passage of
0:26.1	scripture or into one single video teaching. So it's going to be long as you already know from whatever
0:31.3	time stamps you can see
0:32.8	speaking of which there are specific chapters and the video is broken up
0:36.3	into timestamps you can see either on YouTube or in podcast down below if you
0:40.1	check the description this is just to help you navigate and find exactly what you need.
0:43.9	So women in ministry, that's the topic, women's roles, men's roles, what are they?
0:48.7	Are they even, do they even exist? And it's one of the biggest debates in the Christian world right now,
0:54.0	especially the Western Christian world, which of course I'm part of. The amount of
0:57.9	scholarly work and argument that goes into this issue is insane. It's just
1:02.4	totally insane. You could spend your whole life
1:05.0	just studying this one topic and never read anything else and you would never run out of stuff.
1:11.0	Just the rate at which at all the papers are being written,
1:14.0	it's just crazy.
1:15.3	Everyone is trying to prove their side, that's the point.
1:18.0	And layman, like you, normal people, look at this stuff and they go, I can't make heads or tails of these
1:24.8	complicated in-depth debates about Greek language and ancient history and yeah I
1:31.2	can make some sense of the context claims about this verse in the context of this passage of scripture
1:36.4	But man they're going right over my head with some of the claims about Artemis of Ephesia and the cult that was going on there, you know, when
1:45.6	First Timothy was written, this sort of thing. Everyone's trying to prove their side and
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