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podcast description below. Hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO podcast and very quickly before I

get into today's show I just want to let people know this weekend in 9th and 10th of August the

website that UFO podcast is going to be offline just while it gets a few

bugs ironed out and the new store is going to be up and ready as well. So thank you to Glenn, who's helping me out with that, dropping his name in there, I'm sure he won't mind. And also, you can pre-order the book, folks. If you're on YouTube, it's over my shoulder. It is now due out mid-September, so thank you to anyone

who has pre-ordered. Links are in the description. There should be a QR code down below as well,

but otherwise, let's get on with the show, because joining me as a returning guest to look at a lot

of the news stories from this month and previous, and get his unique take on things. He has a retired F-16 pilot and host of

the popular YouTube channel, The Leto F-Tiles, returning to the podcast, Chris Lato. How are you, Chris?

Yeah, great, Andy. Thanks for having me. Good to see you again. Good to have you back on. I think

this is your fourth appearance, if I'm right. I think you had a 20-21, 2 in 20-23. I was just checking before, and that's you back on after a two-and-a-bit years away from the podcast. But you've been busy yourself, Chris, and there's a lot to talk about. You've got a unique perspective, I think, given your background as a pilot, and a lot of the work you

do on your YouTube channel, even I feel as I watch it, has changed over the years and in various

different ways. But before we get to all of that, I want to know, how do you follow the UFO

topic right now, given your own unique perspectives and experiences and what's your take on where

things are at?

Yeah, I think maybe like a lot of people, disenfranchised with the disclosure movement or

frustrated with it. I was very excited a couple years ago, especially when David Grush first

came out, although I was very angry with his statements, you know, that saying that basically there was this hidden long-term crash refuel program, kind of what a lot of people suspected.

And then I assumed wrongly, I guess, that we would see massive progress.

And I guess while we have seen progress, as suspected and as many commenters wrote on my channel,

as well as I'm sure you saw is that we're not going to see any real major progress.

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