Psychotherapy, Spirituality, and Democratic Socialism: A Conversation with Frank Gruba-McCallister
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🗓️ 24 September 2025
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Summary
Frank Gruba-McCallister is a clinical psychologist, educator, and scholar whose career spans more than three decades of teaching and academic leadership.
He served as Vice President of Academic Affairs at Adler University, where he helped to reorient the institution's mission toward training socially responsible practitioners. His leadership and curricular reforms contributed to Adler's doctoral program receiving the American Psychological Association's Board of Educational Affairs Award for Innovative Practices in Graduate Education in 2007. He has also taught at the Illinois School of Professional Psychology and The Chicago School of Professional Psychology, and worked as a clinician in both medical settings and private practice.
Throughout his career, Dr. Gruba-McCallister has been a steady voice at the intersection of critical psychology, humanistic and existential thought, and spiritual inquiry. He is the author of Embracing Disillusionment: Achieving Liberation Through the Demystification of Suffering, a book that examines how internalized oppression and ideological mystification compound human suffering and how healing demands a deep and sometimes painful confrontation with illusions.
His newest book, Radical Healing: No Wellness Without Justice, published by University Professors Press, draws from liberation theology, critical theory, existential psychology, and transpersonal thought to explore the structural and spiritual roots of suffering. At its core is a call to restore moral responsibility, to reclaim compassion and justice as central to any meaningful model of care, and to invite those who seek to heal others to do so with humility, courage, and radical honesty.
In our conversation, we discuss the origins of this work, the crises that shape our current moment, and what it might mean to envision psychotherapy as both a spiritual and political act.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Madden America podcast, your source for science, psychiatry, and social justice. |
| 0:14.9 | Frank Gruba McAllister is clinical psychologist, educator, and scholar, whose career spans more than three decades of teaching and academic leadership. |
| 0:23.6 | He served as the vice president of academic affairs at Adler University, and when he was there, he helped reorient that institution's mission toward training socially responsible practitioners. |
| 0:33.6 | His leadership and curricular reforms contributed to Adler's doctoral program receiving the APA American Psychological Association Award for Innovative Practices and Graduate Education. |
| 0:44.3 | He also taught at the Illinois School of Professional Psychology and the Chicago School of Professional Psychology and has worked as a clinician in both medical settings and in private practice. |
| 0:53.3 | Throughout his career, |
| 0:55.2 | Dr. Grubin McAllister has been a steady voice at the intersection of critical psychology, humanistic |
| 1:00.0 | and existential thought, and spiritual inquiry. He is the author of embracing this illusion, |
| 1:05.0 | achieving liberation through the demystification of suffering, a book that examines how internalized |
| 1:09.9 | oppression and ideological mystification compound human suffering a book that examines how internalized depression and ideological |
| 1:11.1 | mystification compound human suffering and how healing demands a deep and sometimes painful |
| 1:16.0 | confrontation with illusions. His newest book, in a similar vein, radical healing, no wellness |
| 1:21.5 | without justice, which is recently published by university professors press, draws from liberation |
| 1:26.8 | theology, critical |
| 1:28.2 | theory, and existential psychology to explore the structural and spiritual roots of suffering. |
| 1:34.3 | At its core is a call to restore moral responsibility to reclaim compassion and justice |
| 1:38.8 | essential to any meaningful model of care, and to invite those who seek to heal others to |
| 1:43.5 | do so with some humility, some courage, and to invite those who seek to heal others to do so with some humility, |
| 1:45.0 | some courage, and some radical honesty. |
| 1:48.0 | So in our conversation today, we'll discuss the origins of this work, the crises that shape |
| 1:52.7 | our current political moment, and what it means to envision psychotherapy as both a spiritual |
| 1:57.0 | and a political act. |
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