Welcome to Back from the Abyss. I'm Dr. Craig Hecock. First, I want to start by letting you all know

that I'll be teaching an experiential intensive workshop called Bringing Therapy into Med Management

this October in Fort Collins. This will be geared for psychiatric nurse practitioners and PAs,

though all psychiatric clinicians

are welcome.

There are only 20 spots in the workshops already about half full, so if you are interested,

you might want to register soon.

Check out my website or the link in the show notes for details, registration, or further

questions.

Today's story is a fascinating exploration of psychoanalysis and our evolving understanding

of how trauma and dissociation can fragment the unconscious psyche into seemingly autonomous parts.

This story explores the mysteries of memory, as well as the role of MDMA in helping people

go where they haven't been able to go before.

And who better to tell this story, but a psychoanalyst with their own rich and complicated

story of trauma and dissociation, forgetting and then remembering and trying to make sense

of all of it.

Jenny, it's really great to be sitting here with you in your apartment in New York City.

And listeners, back from the abyss, has gone on the road.

And it's really great to be here visiting my daughter.

But I will tell you, it's very likely during this recording that you could hear

sirens. We are above an Asian restaurant that Jenny said in a few minutes it's going to start

playing pounding morning music. There could be dogs. There could be all sorts of noise, but that

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