You're listening to an Airwave Media Podcast.

Obviously, it would be tremendously useful to have a group of trained soldiers who can see inside

secret bases, bend enemy weapons from a distance, and cause designated targets to fall

over dead, all through the power of mind.

Some of you will be aware that the U.S US and Soviet military and intelligence agencies both

investigated the use of psychic spies and paranormal powers for covert use. It turned

out there was a pretty big gap between the cinematic X-Men type powers and the actual

performance of this real group, somewhere between Magneto bending a tank turret and an Israeli

magician bending a spoon lay spectacular hopes that psychic

superpowers might someday play a part in the war between government

superpowers.

It's actually quite unlike anything we've ever seen before.

A giant hairy creature, part 8, Pardon me.

In Mart Ness, a 24 mile long bottomless lake in the Highlands of Scotland.

It's a creature known as the Loch Ness Monster. Oh, yeah. Monster Talk. This is Monster Talk.

This is Monster Talk, the science show about monsters.

I'm Blake Smith and I'm Karen Stolsner.

In this episode we're pleased to bring you an interview with psychologist Ray Hyman, a longtime skeptical

activist and educator, a founding member of Psychop, now CSI, and one of the key investigators

into the US government's program to develop psychic soldiers.

Some of this story was revealed in John Ronson's great book, The Men Who's Derek Goats,

but in this interview you'll hear Ray's personal recollections about magic, skepticism, and the mysterious claims of a famous psychic

...