Psychiatrist and Insider Threat Expert David Charney on What Leads People to Spy

Intelligence Matters

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🗓️ 5 March 2019

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In this week's episode of Intelligence Matters, host Michael Morell speaks with psychiatrist Dr. David Charney, who has spent decades personally evaluating intelligence professionals and has interviewed some of the most well-known spies in American history, including former FBI Agents Earl Pitts and Robert Hansenn. Charney explains the core psychology of espionage, including a theory of what leads people to spy and what kinds of traits and situations are most common among those who choose to do so. Charney also offers new ideas for preventing spying, and stopping it once it starts.

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0:07.4	Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wondries Podcast American Scandal.
0:11.6	Our newest series looks at the Kids for Cash Scandal, a story about two judges who stood
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0:27.9	This is the Intelligence Matters Podcast with former acting director of the CIA, Michael
0:32.8	Morel, sponsored by Raytheon.
0:37.2	One of the people that worked for me very part time, a moonlighter is what we call it, was
0:41.8	a government psychiatrist and he worked for the State Department.
0:46.6	But after a couple of months at my place, he couldn't help but notice I was seeing a lot
0:50.9	of people from CIA and he finally said, David, I have something to tell you.
0:55.2	I don't work for the State Department.
0:57.2	Oh, I work for CIA.
0:59.5	Oh.
1:03.1	Two months after that, David, I have something to tell you.
1:06.0	I was playing squash with a lawyer friend of mine.
1:08.7	He said, we would like you to consult on this fascinating case and FBI special agent who
1:14.0	turns out to be a KGB spy.
1:16.1	Whoa, says Larry, I think I know somebody who can help you.
1:19.5	That's how I got into it.
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