Oh hey it's the lady eating berries off a bush in the park alley ward and here we are we have arrived in

an episode six years in the making I have had this ology and this specific ologist on my list for years we had a few near encounters and then a pandemic lockdown and then

scheduling issues finally had happened. I had researched the top folks in the world doing

silicibin and hallucinogenic research and over and over he came up as in the will

hallucinogenic research and over he came up as the lead or the co-author on papers

and I watched this documentary on fantastic fungus applications

and there he was on the screen and with me wistfully saying that's

myologist we've even emailed so a few weeks back we finally lined up our times and

dates and I packed up my little little purse filled with mics and SD cards and off I went about an hour south just past LAX

and I pulled into this parking lot near the UCLA Medical Center.

I was early, I was nervous, and in he walked, his gray beard and long hair pulled back into a low

pony he was wearing a navy blue windbreaker with an easy smile a very chill

demeanor so we ducked into this stark near empty office in this new

building because his old office of decades had recently been I think condemned

and torn down. This guy fell out of the ceiling one day.

Oh my God.

By the way our family raccoons living in like an attic.

And then the ceiling just came out.

So we sat in this sparkling new office, which she deserved.

Zero raccoons or hallucinations of them, and we got into it, as you will hear. But but first just a quick thanks to everyone who sent in such great questions for this ologist via Patreon.com slash ologies you can join for one dollar a month and I may read your questions and your name and

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