Psych Out | EP 5
Curse of: America’s Next Top Model
iHeartPodcasts and Glass Podcasts
4.6 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 14 October 2025
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
CONTENT WARNING: This episode mentions sexual assault, suicide, and suicidal ideation.
We continue our discussion about the ANTM psychological evaluation. We hear from models who say the traumatic experiences they shared with the show’s psychologists were later used to manipulate them for the cameras. We discuss contestants who may have slipped through the cracks of the psych eval and later met tragic ends. Then we explore the story of one model who says being on ANTM sent her into a downward spiral towards drugs and crime.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:02.0 | Guaranteed Human. |
| 0:08.0 | On this episode, we're continuing to look into A&M psychological evaluations and how they were really used. |
| 0:15.0 | If you haven't listened to our first episode on the Psycheviles, go back and listen to that. |
| 0:20.0 | And before I go on, I want to say |
| 0:22.2 | that this episode is particularly dark. We're talking about trauma, including sexual assault |
| 0:27.6 | and physical abuse. We're also talking about suicide and suicidal ideation. Now on to the episode. |
| 0:37.4 | While I was doing interviews for this show, I asked every model I spoke to what they were told the A&M's psyche vow was for. |
| 0:44.9 | Here's what Cycle 24th Gina Turner said. |
| 0:47.7 | They were explaining on a stage what the use of the psyche vows were for. |
| 0:52.1 | And it was just like, just so we can understand you and get to know |
| 0:55.4 | you better and just make this a great experience. They didn't really say it was to manipulate you |
| 1:00.0 | or to think ahead of you or to think before you could or to put together a certain narrative. |
| 1:07.0 | But once she got cast on the show, that's exactly how her psychie vile was used. |
| 1:11.6 | Gina had a traumatic childhood. |
| 1:13.6 | She said her mother struggled with drug addiction, and because of that, Gina was in and out of foster care. |
| 1:19.6 | As an adult, she experienced sexual assault and suicidal ideation. |
| 1:24.6 | She told the show psychologists all of this. Gina expected that what she told |
| 1:29.7 | them would stay in those rooms, that it was all necessary information to ensure everyone's safety. |
| 1:36.1 | Gina was cast on the show. But once the camera started rolling, she discovered that those |
| 1:41.2 | deeply traumatic experiences she shared in her psyche vial |
| 1:44.2 | had been given to A&M producers. |
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