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Divided Argument

Will Baude & Dan Epps

Politics, Government, Justice, Legal, Supreme Court, News, Law

4.8 • 766 Ratings

🗓️ 3 October 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

For the season finale, we're joined by Yale law professor Justin Driver to talk about his new book, "The Fall of Affirmative Action: Race, the Supreme Court, and the Future of Higher Education." We discuss the conservative cases for and against affirmative action, the post-SFFA world of university admissions, the promise and limits of colorblindness, and the effects of admissions policies on students' sense of belonging.

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0:00.0	Oh, yay, oh, yay, oh, yay, oh, yeah.
0:03.4	The judicial power of the United States shall be vested in one Supreme Court.
0:08.1	Unless there is any more question to be able to find an argument in this case.
0:10.9	The whole person having business before the Honorable, the Supreme Court of the United States, are in honorous to give their attention.
0:19.8	Welcome to Divided Argument,
0:21.6	an unscheduled, unpredictable Supreme Court podcast.
0:24.2	I'm Dan Apps.
0:25.5	And I'm Will Bowdo.
0:27.2	So this is it, Will.
0:29.0	I believe this is going to be our final episode of season five.
0:36.1	Not of the show, just of season five.
0:37.6	I hope, you know, that's up to you.
0:40.1	But record-breaking, 28 episodes?
0:44.2	Yeah.
0:45.3	We're going to go out with a bang.
0:47.2	Yes.
0:47.5	So today is another one of our guest episodes, another one of our book episodes.
0:53.5	So today we are joined by friend of the show,
0:56.3	Professor Justin Driver, who is the Robert R. Slaughter, Professor of Law, who is here with us
1:01.9	to talk about his book, The Fall of Affirmative Action, Race, the Supreme Court, and the Future
1:06.8	of Higher Education, which just released, is it three weeks ago? Yeah, September 16th was the
1:12.4	punk date. Okay. So, Justin, I've actually gotten to see you talk about this book a couple
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