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All right, welcome to the Dispatch podcast.

I am here with Steve Hayes, and we are talking to Vice President Mike Pence.

Also former governor, former congressman, there's a lot of ground we're going to have to cover

if we're going to get through all of your time in public service.

Also the author of the new book So Help Me God, which if you're watching this video,

you can see.

It's available on Amazon and other places I assume.

It is.

Thank you, Sarah.

Thank you, Steve.

We're here today.

We're at the Mayflower Hotel in downtown Washington, DC.

You were here speaking at the Federalist Society, and I wanted to sort of pick up where that

conversation left off a little bit because part of the rift that we've seen within the

conservative right has really been a discussion between process and outcome.

And so for a long time, especially the legal conservative movement was about process.

That's what originalism is.

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